or come to some decision on the debt ceiling. are you willing to vote to raise the debt ceiling? >> i think ultimately we're going to have to, aren't we? i don't think there's a single person in congress or in washington that recognizes that, you know, some time in the next short while, we're going to hit that limit. and at that point, we have to -- we have a financial obligation to, you know, millions of people and to programs throughout our government. the question is, what are we going to do to fix the problem? like you started out with your quote there, we want to come back and fix something, do something meaningful here. i tell you what. the problem is that we just continue to kick the can down the road and it doesn't help anyone. we talked about saving our childr children, our country for our children or grandchildren. i don't think we have that long when it comes to our debt. we can't -- this isn't a generational problem. this is a problem we've got to take care of right now. >> and you're talking policy, which is a good thing to talk about. of course, we know in washington pol